What was the point of the conversations between Toori and Horizon?
In the first vol (first season of the anime) Toori redirects Musashi toward collecting all the Logismoi Oplo in the name of saving the princess of Mikawa (Horizon). The problem was that the goal was all good and all, but as the leader of Musashi it was his responsibility to come up with the method and scope of attaining this goal. And what, exactly, was his goal? Was it to restore the princess of Mikawa? Was it to save the world (which is the stance Seijun uses in her debate against Innocent)? The residents of Musashi looked to him throughout this volume to come up with all of this in precise fashion, as it would shape their foreign policy and the scope of their actions. At the beginning of the volume when they’re receiving a lecture about the history of the British Isles in the scope of the Hundred Year War against France (which has fairly recently ended prior to Musashi’s arrival at England), Toori “shirks” his duty by feigning sleep. He takes it on a bit more directly later, during the feast after the negotiations with Howard, after feeding the do- I mean Nate.
“Aoi. I want to hear your thoughts.
For collecting the Logismoi Oplo, … what do you allow?
Can you still say now, at this point? –That you would not rule out all-out war.”
Everyone looked at Aoi as he crossed his arms. And then he, after a moment, stood up, and after yet another moment slowly lowered his hips, and then stood back up, and repeated,
“Don’t start doing squats while completely naked-!”
They yelled, and Aoi fully naked began panting as he said,
“Well, but, you know, you asked me a really hard question out of the blue.”
“– Dumb brother.”
That was when a voice flew forth. Aoi Sister, who had been combing Mukai’s hair, spoke without even a trace of a smile.
“Have you forgotten about then? Or… are you going to say those words were spoken when we were stupid?”
For Seijun to not know what was being talked about, meant that it was something from the past that only this group would know. She didn’t know how far back they were talking about, and she inwardly tilted her head to the side, wondering what could be brought forth in the discussion about Aoi’s decision.
… Maybe one day, they’ll tell me, too.
She thought, when a new voice came flying through.
The next voice came from Asama. Seijun turned and glanced and saw that her brows were furrowed a bit,
“That was important for us, but it was a starting point. And because starting points are simple… if you use the starting point as a standard, everything else becomes relatively tough.
That’s why we should add things to the starting point, and then use what we’re left with as a standard. Do you understand what I mean?”
“Fufufu, this no-bra miko. I understand that far more than you. After all, I used to use a small cup too, and I would keep being strained by it, and by shedding the bra over and over again I came to where I am now.
Do you understand the sorrow that comes from realizing that all the bras you’ve bought to that point are useless!? And then the indignation when your mother picks that timing to take the initiative to buy an old woman’s type of bra …! Truly like ‘come and replace it, your over-brazier!’
On the other hand, aren’t you the carefree one. You receive blessing as yours grows.”
“Th- there are less good than bad when it comes to large breasts! When they grow your shoulders start cramping, your body starts tilting forward so you have to put extra effort into keeping your back straight, and–“
Asama began speaking, but Balfette, facing down, forcefully raised her right arm from the elbows on.
Hiding her expression with her frontal hair and glasses,
“I will agree that there is nothing good to come of having big breasts. That’s within acceptable bounds of pardon.”
“– if your breasts are lacking, it strikes at your pride. Definitely.”
At that, everyone quieted down. And after some time,
There was applause. And at the sound of the clapping of hands, Masazumi couldn’t help but nod her head with agreement, but,
“Ah, hey, let’s get back on topic.”
Come to think of it, she did not know their past.
And they understood that too. That was why Aoi Sister shrugged her shoulders, and asked,
The completely naked brother turned to her and scratched his head. Then, he looked at his sister and,
“Haven’t forgotten. But–“
He tried to continue. But at that moment. Abruptly, Aoi Sister said:
“Fufu, dumb brother. Then that’s fine. You need not say any more.”
Aoi Sister smiled and cut short the conversation.
Huh? Everyone seemed to stared, but the sister narrowed her eyes and curled her mouth into an upward crescent moon.
“Because, political stuff isn’t my area. –You know? I’m fine knowing that dumb brother hasn’t forgotten his own promise.”
Her lips clearly formed a smile as she spoke.
“Sister and brother’s confirmation ends there. Now, here, I have no intention of letting the Far East’s political confirmation take precedence over this. Right, –dumb brother, I’ll go ahead and add some explanation without you, but it’s probably like this, right?
… you haven’t forgotten the starting point. But, other things have begun attaching themselves to it, and dumb brother has likewise not been able to gather his dumb, simple thoughts, right? If I’m wrong, prostrate before me.”
However, the fool mumbled, slightly troubled.
“It was simple up to the point where Horizon came back.”
“But after that, it doesn’t suit me, but I started thinking too much. Like, frankly I got too excited and got carried away and I need to say ‘stay!’ at myself. Nee-chan you get it? The level of beast-ness where the wild beast inside you wants you to take it out for a walk so it’s barking and yelping as it rubs itself against you…!”
“Fufufu dumb brother, now I get that your wild beast is like a Spitz. Like a cute dog, how nice.”
And after a bit of odd talk about dogs.
“Well, gather your thoughts soon. As Howard said during the noon conference, –we’re having a conference with Britain after the first day of the festival a week from now, where we’ll decide how Musashi will proceed.
You don’t have to be absolutely clear by then, but I want you to at least know ‘what’s alright what’s not alright.”
Even if you don’t decide, the world’s moving, and we can be forced to decide.
I’d appreciate it if you can figure it out by the time we have that conference.”
“Yeah, then well, I want to have something to say by then, but,”
Aoi looked at Masazumi, then turned toward everyone else, and spoke.
“I’m dumb, so I can’t really say what exactly to do and the likes. But, I’d prefer to never budge from knowing what’s right. So,”
He looked at Masazumi again,
“Can you wait a bit? I’ll definitely come up with an answer.”
And then he decides to ask Horizon out on the date. Why?
“Well, because –and it’s embarrassing to admit, but.”
He took a deep breath, and positioned himself so that he could only see her,
“Horizon, I, want to look at you, talk to you about stuff. Because we skipped all of that and went straight to confession time, right? So I want to sit down and just talk to you about stuff.”
Horizon tilted her head to the side. And then he said welllll, as a precursor to thinking, and then,
“I want to, for Horizon, … I want to reclaim all the things that I made you lose, right? But, I wondered how Horizon feels.”
“Well, you know, … Horizon doesn’t have much interest in emotions. I made you cry at the Mikawa battle, and if you find that sort of thing rough, then you might think, there’s no need for them.”
“To be direct,”
Horizon immediately replied without giving any time for thought.
“–Currently, Horizon believes emotions to be unnecessary.”
[Nate] saw that he was looking at the sky as opened his mouth. His words:
“Yeah, sounds about right. Emotions, you don’t really need’em. They’re a pain.”
Mitotsudaira realized that [he didn’t die from sadness] due to his words. That Horizon wouldn’t want emotions, he had probably long expected this.
… after all, they walk parallel paths.
Horizon’s decision was born out of being an automata, out of preferring efficiency. That was why, it seemed, Kimi sent inquiring words toward Horizon.
“Horizon, the wolf seems like she’s going to become a guard dog, so can you tell your future sister? –why, they’re unnecessary?”
“Jud., to be direct, Horizon has spent the past year without them. Horizon determines that there was no problem. Then, Horizon determines that the effort of retrieving them is simply adding accessories to daily life.”
Right, Toori mumbled, still staring at the sky.
“Well, even if Horizon doesn’t want them, I decided long ago that I’d retrieve everything.”
He lowered his gaze, staring at the sand. And then, scratching his head with his right hand,
“Since it was my fault, I have to get them back. –You know, like replacing broken goods.”
Replacing broken goods.
Mitotsudaira quickly looked away to hide the fact that she was about to burst out laughing at his word choice. She could hear others suck in their breath for the same reason, as they reacted the same way.
… why did he feel so much responsibility for such strange reasons?
But, she could tell he was desperate. He was the type of person to think nothing of his actions, but in the end he would always stand before you looking at you straight in the eye.
That was why this was so hard for him, Mitotsudaira thought.
If he wasn’t so fixated on where he would end up standing, he would be able to enjoy life more.
So when she stifled her laughter and looked up, she noticed that he had been looking toward them. With the warm gaze that looked over them over Horizon’s shoulder, he began, you know.
“Nate probably already started noticing, or maybe you heard from someone else or something, but,
We, … me, Shiro, Neshinbara, Tenzou and such, when the Logismoi Oplo were distributed among other countries, we thought ‘that’s suspicious.’ I mean, Horizon’s dad, Motonobu created ‘great sins,’ after all. …we thought, if you combine all of that, you get a person, right? Then Horizon, even if you didn’t come back, even if Mikawa never exploded, we, …would piggyback on the end of the world and negotiate with every country, not necessarily for Musashi or the Far East or anything, somehow we’d gather the Logismoi Oplo, and then you know, Eight Sins Gattai…! or like, Eight Steps Combine – True Great Sin! or like… I mean, sorry! Really, sorry! We really said those things and if it rubs you the wrong way sorry please don’t glare at me-!”
“How many times do I need to tell you I’m not glaring. –This is the first.”
“Nuooh that’s so hard to respond to!!”
Everyone went and placated them.
And then after a moment, he sat back down, and looked at Horizon and said.
“Well, we were scheming, to gather them all in your likeness, and then go from there.”
She began, but everyone could tell where she was going. What he was trying to do, originally, was something that was done without her. Then,
“Horizon was unnecessary for what Toori-sama and others were doing. Then please stop calling Horizon into this place and claiming that the reason is to retrieve emotions.”
After all, Mitotsudaira imagined her continuing, but Horizon continued for her.
“After all, everyone getting hurt in conflict, ends up being ‘because Horizon existed.’
Whether Horizon wants emotions or not. To go on a date to confirm this, is that because you want to make everything Horizon’s fault?”
“Of course not.”
Then, Horizon said.
“You don’t need Horizon. Horizon doesn’t need to be–“
with everyone, she was about to continue.
And then Mitotsudaira saw. A tear drop from the edge of Horizon’s eyes.
Why, she thought, and then she realized.
Horizon has the emotion of grief. That was the one and only that had been returned. Then,
“– doesn’t need the unnecessary.”
Mitotsudaira sucked in her breath at Horizon’s tears and words.
Was different from the automata’s determination of efficiency, and was more a decision that was inefficient and which came from her soul.
Even if efficiency dictated that it would be preferable that she did not exist,
… for her to become something that never existed, for her to become something that wasn’t needed…, is a sad thing.
Mitotsudaira knew of that sadness.
… she had come here alone from home.
However, Horizon did not have memories, and did not experience much life. She had just the basic knowledge of automata, and knowledge she’d gleaned from books, so she was like a young lady with only superficial knowledge, but,
… having herself become unnecessary, just that alone was enough, …to make her feel sad.
Like a child crying to make her parents look at her.
“Let’s go on a date, Horizon.”
“I do not understand what you are saying.”
She looked at him with narrowed eyes, but he raised his right thumb and eyebrows and laughed.
“Idiot, hey, you can’t say that after crying! Alright? You’re going on a date with me, and then we’re going to look at things, eat things, play around, grope breas- ahyan! S- sorry I got carried away please forgive me. And, to get back on topic, umm, in other words–“
“Let’s test and see if you become interested in emotions.”
“I inquire, test…, and then what?”
“If you become interested, let’s go retrieve the Logismoi Oplo together, Horizon. And if you can’t, then make some food for us and wait. That’s more than enough, I think.
Because, you’re here, and for me, you’re already ‘here.’ Then, that goes for everyone. That’s why, if, if, okay? If you become interested in emotions, and end up wanting to retrieve them for yourself–“
“We’ll, carry on your expectations. And you will have expectations of us, as we all move forward. In the end, each person, gets what they want, and the powers of everything get doubled, right?”
“… if, Horizon cannot become interested?”
“Then we can just go at it singularly, right? That’s normal. Everything above that is bonus.”
Horizon’s eyes remained narrowed at his words. However,
“… A dangerous thought. After all, you are telling Horizon, that if Horizon wants emotions, to go start a World War.”
“Hey hey, World Domination is mine. –You should come up with something else, parallel.
World Domination is all mine, so you should look for something more fun, even if it’s parallel.
So to get to that point, let’s go on a date, to see if you become interested in emotions, alright?”
“Do you intend to carry a doll outdoors?”
No, he said, as he took her hand.
“I’m holding your hand and leading you outside.”